{"id":11032,"date":"2025-07-26T20:35:37","date_gmt":"2025-07-27T01:35:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/?p=11032"},"modified":"2025-07-26T21:54:20","modified_gmt":"2025-07-27T02:54:20","slug":"new-jazz-underground-newport-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/new-jazz-underground-newport-2025\/","title":{"rendered":"Touching the Continuum: Sebastian Rios Previews New Jazz Underground at Newport"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>As nonsensical as it may seem in the abstract, sometimes ideological wars are a necessary step towards a renewed and invigorated community. This is certainly the case with the so-called \u201cjazz wars\u201d of the 1980s. After decades of further sonic expansion, one side came with a zealous desire to return the music to its roots. One of this army\u2019s most decorated generals, Wynton Marsalis, perhaps summarized their perspective best in a 1985 issue of Jet Magazine:&nbsp; \u201cJazz has got to retain its integrity, its spirituality,\u201d and that could only be done through a return to its swinging and blues roots. The opposite side of the battlefield, a team of hip hop heads, avant-garde firebrands, and electric explorers who pushed for the music\u2019s continued growth further beyond its roots. In the words of Herbie Hancock,&nbsp; \u201c[The music is] not exclusive, but inclusive, which is the whole spirit of jazz.\u201d While the skirmishes between these two factions were once very public, eventually the metaphorical musket smoke cleared, and the battle flags gradually lowered. And the music is now richer for it. The past two decades have seen a renaissance in jazz music, largely due to younger artists who learned to balance the positions of both sides. It is hard to find a better example than the New Jazz Underground, which will perform at the Newport Jazz Festival on Saturday, August 2, 2025.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The New Jazz Underground originates at the Juilliard School, Marsalis\u2019 alma mater. As students at the esteemed institution, bassist Sebastian Rios, saxophonist Abdias Armenteros, and drummer TJ Reddick formed the group that became the New Jazz Underground. The trio\u2019s chordless instrumentation is a clear evolution of the novel structure established by Sonny Rollins in the 1950s. And the Underground undeniably swings. Hard. They take influence from the blues form. Marsalis gives the band his seal of approval. The New Jazz Underground has also worked closely with the House that Wynyon Built: Jazz at Lincoln Center. But that is only part of the story.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All under the age of thirty, the musicians of New Jazz Underground are of a generation that stereotypically prioritizes technology, economic pragmatism, and an emphasis on self-expression. These virtues are an inescapable part of the group as well. Where Wynton\u2019s music tried to find new audiences in classical concert halls, the New Jazz Underground has emphasized viral and virtual content. Some of their earliest performances together took place in parks and streets in a lockdown-era New York. But it is online where they truly found an audience. Performing songs with provocative titles like \u201cthey can hate but we still swingin\u201d, \u201cf**k\/s**t\/c**t\/jazz\u201d, and \u201csad boy jazz\u201d found many listeners who aren\u2019t exactly inhabitants of the Real Book. In the process, they gained a following of over a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But the New Jazz Underground\u2019s divergence from the neotraditionalist ideal expands beyond the venues in which it performs. Growing up in an age where finding different styles of music comes by merely a click or a tap compared to having to walk to a different part of a store, the trio\u2019s music is inevitably more open to other artistic impulses. Hip-hop and pop music permeate the group\u2019s work. They have even dedicated recordings to the works of Kendrick Lamar and MF DOOM. The New Jazz Underground is much more sonically expansive than the perspectives pushed by Stanley Crouch, but, again, swing and the blues are paramount. The trio does not stake a place in wars past or relitigate old disputes. Instead, it finds ways to narrow any remaining gap between them, learning equally from both sides.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>With the New Jazz Underground, the music born in Congo Square, developed under Louis Armstrong, and continued to grow through&nbsp; Duke Ellington and Miles Davis all the way to Ambrose Akinmusire, is indeed left in good hands. As the trio prepares to release its debut full-length album, we sat down with bassist Rios to discuss the group and their upcoming Newport performance.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_ziT3q3Jg0Fs\"><div id=\"lyte_ziT3q3Jg0Fs\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ziT3q3Jg0Fs\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ziT3q3Jg0Fs\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ziT3q3Jg0Fs\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PostGenre: Do you remember when you first learned about the Newport Jazz Festival?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Sebastian Rios: You always hear about it. I remember, back in middle school, seeing the picture of Miles [Davis] <a href=\"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/newport-jazz-part-iii\/\">wearing sunglasses at Newport [in 1958]<\/a> and hearing a version of \u201cBye Bye Blackbird\u201d by him from there. I also used to listen to Duke Ellington\u2019s \u201cFestival Junction\u201d suite that [Billy] Strayhorn wrote for him <a href=\"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/newport-jazz-part-ii\/\">for the 1956 Newport Jazz Festival<\/a>. And the famous version of &#8220;Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue\u201d from that same year. I love that album [Ellington at Newport (Columbia, 1956)]. It is so great. The story behind that record is such a legend in jazz, and the recording is such an important moment. Man, it&#8217;s a blessing and honor to play at Newport. Even just the festival&#8217;s history is crazy. It&#8217;s so cool. I love jazz history. I&#8217;m not the most educated on it, but I do know some stuff. It\u2019s an honor to be in a continuum with that history.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My teacher is <a href=\"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/all-connected-ron-carter-i\/\">the great Ron Carter<\/a>, and he is tied to so much of that lineage, too. I never think of myself through my own art. I don&#8217;t care much about what people think about my music. I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re enjoying it, but I&#8217;m still like a little tadpole in this giant ocean of jazz music. So, to touch something so important, whether Newport or learning from Ron, is incredible.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_jNraVOF3mhE\"><div id=\"lyte_jNraVOF3mhE\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/jNraVOF3mhE\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jNraVOF3mhE\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/jNraVOF3mhE\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Part of what makes New Jazz Underground interesting is how the band finds ways to make jazz appeal to those who may not be so closely connected to that music. For instance, your Kendrick Lamar [<em>Dying of Thirst<\/em> (self-release, 2025)] or MF DOOM [<em>the MF DOOM SUiTE.<\/em> (self-release, 2023)] tribute EPs view both artists\u2019 music through a jazz lens, but appeal to those more attuned to hip hop, and maybe not as familiar with jazz.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Yeah, it all depends on where you&#8217;re at. It depends on who you are. It depends on what your cultural background is. I think the fun part of what we do is to try to make references to things most people would know. Our projects, like the MF Doom thing and the Kendrick Lamar thing, mostly came from us wanting to make something that we would listen to. As Gen Zers, we\u2019re constantly online. We thought it would be great to make something that&#8217;s very accessible and palatable. Something that someone would want to listen to if they stumbled upon it on YouTube. But, at the same time, something that will contain all those things that make jazz music jazz. We wanted to have a standard for the music and knew exactly what, as jazz musicians, we wanted for the project.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It has been a lot of fun to have shows, especially after putting out the Kendrick EP, and seeing the reaction of young cool people having a blast. I remember a show we had in San Francisco where all these beautiful young ladies were dancing to our music. They were recognizing the songs we were playing and excited to hear them. To have young people responding to jazz in that way is very exciting and&nbsp; fulfilling for me as an artist.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But we are also working beyond our covers. We just signed a deal a couple of days ago to make a record that will focus on our original music.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: That new album will be called <em>Hoodies<\/em>, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: We\u2019re not a hundred percent positive yet, but I think so, yeah. That title seems to represent our music well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Hoodies<\/em> is about being in the street. Being a young person, a young man, in these times, so many things are dictated to you. You are told about what you are supposed to do; what\u2019s cool and what\u2019s not. And the street is where it starts. <em>Hoodies<\/em> is about being out there. It&#8217;s about being present. It&#8217;s about being culturally minded. What you wear is the most superficial thing, but hoodies are also part of this generation\u2019s identity.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is also a double meaning to <em>Hoodie<\/em>s when you consider people like Trayvon Martin. A close friend of mine from high school, Israel Hernandez-Llach, was an artist who worked under the name \u201cReefa.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_-kLWyaj4y7k\"><div id=\"lyte_-kLWyaj4y7k\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/-kLWyaj4y7k\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/-kLWyaj4y7k\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/-kLWyaj4y7k\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: He was a graffiti artist.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Yeah, yeah. He was a great young artist, and he got killed. He had tagged some graffiti and was running away from the cops. They caught him, tased him, and gave him a heart attack. They killed him. Horrible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But those cruel sorts of things are also part of who we are as young men of color in America.&nbsp; Our band basically started in the streets because we had no place to play during the [COVID-19] pandemic. We would play in the streets of New York City. If we were lucky, we would make enough money playing to buy a pizza for dinner that night. If we had a very good day, maybe we would get Chipotle. But the street is entirely where our sound started coming together, and it is in the spirit of everything that we do as a group.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That is one of the things we are trying to do with <em>Hoodies<\/em>; we are trying to make a music that sounds alive. Trying to take all the things we learn and love about our culture and seeing how they translate into sound. In the streets, we can focus on the basics &#8211; harmony, melody, and rhythm. The key is to try to get those bare essentials, onto the record in a way that sounds like they do in the streets.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_AoWaUX6RhRU\"><div id=\"lyte_AoWaUX6RhRU\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/AoWaUX6RhRU\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/AoWaUX6RhRU\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/AoWaUX6RhRU\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Is it easier to capture that feeling live than in the studio?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Of course. But <em>Hoodies<\/em> was recorded in the studio, and that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s going to come out. Even in the studio, however, I think we did capture the essence of our sound in a very beautiful way. It sounds incredible. On the album, we worked with some very great people and in some very great studios.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That being said, however, I think the next album will most likely be us recording in our own space with our own equipment. I mean, that&#8217;s how we rose to popularity; through recordings in our living room. Again,&nbsp; essentials and basics. We\u2019ll probably take it song by song as opposed to the classic jazz album recording session, where you go in and have an album in two hours. I know that Ron [Carter] used to go to Rudy van Gelder\u2019s Studio, record all day, then do a mix and mastering session that night of what he had done. Boom, album done. That\u2019s similar to how we approached <em>Hoodies<\/em> but, I think, the next time around, will approach things in a much more DIY way because you can get a great sound and capture those magical moments especially well when you\u2019re not on a clock; when you\u2019re not worried about the time to put it together or money spent on it. In a situation like that, it\u2019s just us and the music. I think the next album will be more songs, mostly shorter two to four-minute ones.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But <em>Hoodies<\/em> is going to be very jazz-focused. It is very modern. It is our vision of modern jazz and what this music says it could be. It is a very pure representation of young positive masculinity and jazz, and we are trying to make an impact with the little resources that we have. We also greatly wanted to get to approach the trio sound in a new way, something I feel hasn\u2019t been done in a long time.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Is the music on <em>Hoodies<\/em> what the trio will perform at the Newport?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Mostly. At the festival, we will be playing for only forty minutes, and some things are up in the air. But a large portion of the record will be presented at Newport. We might play our Blues Suite. I was commissioned by Jazz at Lincoln Center to write that one. We love Jazz at Lincoln Center.&nbsp; They&#8217;re even sending us to China next month, actually.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_2NCrZ74GXnE\"><div id=\"lyte_2NCrZ74GXnE\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/2NCrZ74GXnE\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/2NCrZ74GXnE\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/2NCrZ74GXnE\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: So, the trio\u2019s song \u201cthey can hate but we still swingin\u2026\u201d is not directed to Wynton [Marsalis] \u2019s narrower view of jazz?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: [laughing] No, we come in peace. The hilarious thing is that Wynton loves that song. He\u2019s like our uncle or something. We love him. Because he&#8217;s the king of a certain thing &#8211; I\u2019m not saying he\u2019s the king of jazz, but he&#8217;s a king of a certain thing in jazz &#8211; a lot of people like to swing at him. But he\u2019s cool. Our saxophone player, Abdias Armenteros, even goes on tour with Wynton. He&#8217;s the youngest member of the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But, no, that song wasn\u2019t directed towards Wynton. I\u2019m not sure it was even directed towards anyone in particular. It was just something silly. We\u2019ve been lucky in that we have not had a lot of haters. But the haters also often don\u2019t show up until you are further on. By saying that, it\u2019s almost like I\u2019m manifesting hate. [laughing]. But if you reach a certain level and don\u2019t have at least a couple of haters, you\u2019re probably not doing things right. Some people will always call you overrated at a certain point.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: That\u2019s true. But back to the Blues suite.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Yeah, I used a hip hop way of composing it where I sampled old field recordings of Delta Blues singers, mixed and matched them, and created compositions out of what came out of it. In writing the suite, I was trying to take directly from the source of these authentic melodic Blues resources and create a context around it that was built around modern jazz rhythm. I tried to put it all together in a way that made sense. Using that approach, I crafted a five-piece suite &#8211; well, really, six piece &#8211; where we try to weave in and out of tradition and modernism. And actually, Abdias sings the Blues in the second movement of it. The suite is the longest piece I\u2019ve ever written, and we will most likely play at least a couple of passages from it at Newport.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_61_i78xyxWc\"><div id=\"lyte_61_i78xyxWc\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/61_i78xyxWc\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/61_i78xyxWc\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/61_i78xyxWc\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Another piece we may do is called \u201cPseudo Latin Vibe.\u201d It essentially comes from the fact that I&#8217;m pseudo-Latin. Genetically, I&#8217;m a mutt. I&#8217;m half Chilean, half Italian. If I went to Chile, they would call me gringo. I would come back here; they call me chili bowl. You get no love. Abdias is also Latin &#8211; Cuban &#8211; and, like me, from Miami. The song is complex and uses many different rhythms and big grooves. I feel like that song is the most accurate artistic statement of what sound is for us. We modeled ourselves through it and came up with this style of playing that I don&#8217;t think anybody else specifically sounds like.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another song we may be playing is one I recently wrote that basically asks what it would be like if John Coltrane sang and played [Jimi Hendrix\u2019s] \u201cHey Joe.\u201d Abdias can really sing and play. You can hear our love of hip hop, R&amp;B, and all different styles in what he sings. Man, I don&#8217;t even know how to describe his vocals, but it&#8217;s like catharsis. Then he lets everything out on the horn.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_OD823vwQyuU\"><div id=\"lyte_OD823vwQyuU\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/OD823vwQyuU\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/OD823vwQyuU\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/OD823vwQyuU\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: As far as bringing ideas from other music into your original compositions, do you feel arranging the music of Kendrick and DOOM on the EPs we discussed earlier has helped you in terms of writing your own music?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Well, for example, with the MF stuff, we did a cover of \u201cOne Beer.\u201d I had written chord changes to another original song of mine called \u201cSame Thing,\u201d and for our version of \u201cOne Beer,\u201d I reharmonized those changes. On that suite, there is a New Orleans modern jazz kind of thing.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;ve always been a writer, but I have developed that skill quite a bit over the last ten years. I like to use the tools that I already have, incorporate other stuff, and make it recognizable. I like to use cultural touchpoints as references. It&#8217;s all about references. That&#8217;s post-modernism.l; everything&#8217;s referential. And even those hip hop artists, especially MF DOOM, often sampled technical jazz records. There&#8217;s so much reverence there, not only from DOOM, but also from people like Madlib who did Madvillany with him. If you listen to Madlib\u2019s rapping under the name Quasimoto, he talks about Sun Ra, Ahmad Jamal, and all these jazz cats. And now I am referencing people like Madlib and DOOM. We are in a never-ending loop of people inspiring each other to make another form of music.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_lkW3jsz0Gnc\"><div id=\"lyte_lkW3jsz0Gnc\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/lkW3jsz0Gnc\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/lkW3jsz0Gnc\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/lkW3jsz0Gnc\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_apN0AXjJxQE\"><div id=\"lyte_apN0AXjJxQE\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/apN0AXjJxQE\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/apN0AXjJxQE\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/apN0AXjJxQE\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: That loop has been going on for a very long time, though. Even for Madlib specifically. His Blue Note album [<em>Shades of Blue: Madlib Invades Blue Note<\/em> (Blue Note, 2003)] came out more than twenty years ago. It is interesting that some people still seem surprised that those connections between jazz and hip hop exist.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Right. All that stuff is in the history of the music. Being a Gen Z kid and just a younger person in general, I don&#8217;t really distinguish MF Doom from Thelonious Monk. To me, they&#8217;re all just great music. Is the music good? That\u2019s what we care about most, not what you want to call it. To go back to Wynton, our trio loves him and studied him, but don\u2019t take his viewpoint as dogma. His perspective is just one resource among many. It\u2019s a vital and important resource that we care for a lot, but to me, it&#8217;s just as valid as the hip hoppers work.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Well, as to the general thought that what matters most about music is whether it is good, that lines up with Duke Ellington\u2019s embrace of the phrase \u201cbeyond category\u201d to describe his own music. So, not to diss Wynton, but where does that focus on a narrow view of the music come from?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Well, a lot of it\u2019s about money. We all love Wynton. His music is so transcendent. Some of his work is so influential on me. The Abyssinian Mass (Blue Engine, 2016). Blood on the Fields (Columbia, 1997). The Ever Fonky Lowdown (Blue Engine, 2020). Black Codes (From the Underground) (Columbia, 1985). All of his work at the [Village] Vanguard. That is all gospel to us. But that is only one aspect of Wynton\u2019s genius.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_ANgQlB07Aho\"><div id=\"lyte_ANgQlB07Aho\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ANgQlB07Aho\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ANgQlB07Aho\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ANgQlB07Aho\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_8Rw9bgGPfPU\"><div id=\"lyte_8Rw9bgGPfPU\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/8Rw9bgGPfPU\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/8Rw9bgGPfPU\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/8Rw9bgGPfPU\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>The other aspect is his business mind and ability to approach the arts world in a way that gets recognized the same way as classical music. He found a way to make the symphony model work for the big band. And he\u2019s done so well at it. Some people overlook the accomplishments of this man because he has a specific view of jazz that is narrower than that of some other people. But he codified some standards so people view Dizzy [Gillespie], Duke [Ellington], and Mary Lou [Williams] on the same level as [Johann Sebastian] Bach and [Johannes] Brahms. Jazz needs that status to ensure it is financially sustained by contributions from the social elites. It&#8217;s very hard to keep them on board for donating, especially for jazz. Nobody else has ever done it the way Wynton has. It\u2019s crazy to think about the millions of dollars he has been able to bring to Jazz at Lincoln Center. Especially since a lot of that came twenty years ago, when the dollar was worth more. So I understand the importance of his business skills.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_s232FBIyS8A\"><div id=\"lyte_s232FBIyS8A\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/s232FBIyS8A\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/s232FBIyS8A\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/s232FBIyS8A\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>But I also want to say that Wynton, as an individual, isn\u2019t how some people portray him. During my first year at Juilliard, my class had an insane amount of talent in it. It had Immanuel Wilkins, Isaiah Thompson, Micah Thomas, and many other people in jazz who are doing great things today. There was one kid named Nick Lee who is an incredible bebop trombone player; one of the best I have ever heard. But he didn&#8217;t care too much for the trombone. He wanted to do production work and started getting into producing pop music. I remember that all of us, all of his peers, tried to convince him to play the trombone and put the production work aside. His production work was cool, but he was so great on the trombone. And Wynton was actually very supportive of him going that route. He wasn&#8217;t trying to change Nick\u2019s mind or otherwise invalidate the music Nick was making. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think Wynton is very sincere in his views on the music and in his convictions. But when it comes to actual interpersonal relationships, you&#8217;re not gonna get that vibe from him. And Nick went on to be like a top billboard charting producer. He produced Lil Nas X\u2019s \u201cINDUSTRY BABY.\u201d He\u2019s killing it now as a producer. The problem isn\u2019t Wynton. It\u2019s when young people get totally enraptured by a view of music and then all sound the same way.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_V0R4kN8K0vg\"><div id=\"lyte_V0R4kN8K0vg\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/V0R4kN8K0vg\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/V0R4kN8K0vg\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/V0R4kN8K0vg\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: One could also say the same thing about music that combines jazz and hip hop, that often they produce a music that sounds the same.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: You know, Dizzy used to use the term \u201cgeneric bebop.\u201d If you are scrolling Instagram, you might get that one ad that says \u201cimprove your bebop.\u201d I feel the same thing has happened in jazz and hip hop fusion. It is often a low five-beat thing where it all sounds kind of the same and has a similar vibe. There are some very good musicians who we respect and like as people, but make some of that stuff.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>With New Jazz Underground, I have always wanted to make a group that plays acoustic jazz. Not everything has to be acoustic, but the acoustic instruments give you a certain texture, just as chamber music has a certain texture. When you start whipping out electric instruments, things get a little loud. That&#8217;s cool, but I think it stops being jazz. It\u2019s not that jazz shouldn&#8217;t be loud. That\u2019s also not to say that music using those instruments is bad music. I respect a lot of those guys who use those instruments. But sometimes using them makes music that loses its intentionality. That\u2019s part of why I love swing. It&#8217;s very direct and intentional. Swing is so immediate. Hip hop is more about vibe and feeling. Sometimes basslines aren&#8217;t actually in time. Sometimes, drums are weird. It\u2019s all a vibe and a groove. That&#8217;s the special thing about hip hop and sampling.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: So you do not see sampling as having much overlap with jazz?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: Sampling was a huge innovation. I feel like jazz musicians don&#8217;t utilize sampling as an actual technique of hip hop, but they should. Many jazz musicians only utilize the clich\u00e9s of hip hop. They use the backbeat and the big loud bass. But I think sampling is what makes hip hop, hip hop. Even MCs are very referential to each other, and the same thing happens in jazz, but it&#8217;s something else. Someone like [Robert] Glasper is often making more instrumental R&amp;B than they are jazz. They are making an instrumental R&amp;B that is way cooler than smooth jazz, but is connected to smooth jazz at certain moments.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_Caxwob1iKX4\"><div id=\"lyte_Caxwob1iKX4\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/Caxwob1iKX4\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/Caxwob1iKX4\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/Caxwob1iKX4\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: It\u2019s interesting to hear you refer to smooth jazz as instrumental R&amp;B. It definitely is, but most people seem to overlook that description and insist on calling it a type of jazz.<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: I like smooth jazz. It has an interesting vibe. It makes me feel like I&#8217;m at an aquarium or something. It uses an interesting sonic palette. I like all these different styles and genres. I&#8217;m looking at them as things that have existed before me and are just references. I don&#8217;t have a negative judgment of smooth jazz or Glasper or anything else. It\u2019s all about what people do within the spaces of music that those people create. There are interesting ways to present those types of music within the jazz context that people haven&#8217;t tapped into yet.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_1tk1ss5CJ-4\"><div id=\"lyte_1tk1ss5CJ-4\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/1tk1ss5CJ-4\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/1tk1ss5CJ-4\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/1tk1ss5CJ-4\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: So, who do you feel is tapping into those things more fully within a jazz context in a way that may have shaped New Jazz Underground?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>SR: As a trio, New Jazz Underground is deeply inspired by the people in jazz culture, like Ambrose Aminmusire, who play in a unique way. We listen to the music of people like Ambrose constantly, though we don&#8217;t transcribe what they play. Instead, we came up with our own way of playing modern jazz. It was our own negotiation of the last few years to figure out how to play in a more straight style that&#8217;s modern. Ambrose listens to jazz but also trap. If you look at his Spotify Wrapped playlist, you will see things like Lil Wayne. Abidias, TJ, and I grew up listening to Chief Keith. You can hear that in Ambrose\u2019s music too. Ambrose is so modern.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_jP3ms2l03d0\"><div id=\"lyte_jP3ms2l03d0\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/jP3ms2l03d0\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/jP3ms2l03d0\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/jP3ms2l03d0\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>I look at somebody like Chris Botti as this perfectly plastic thing. All the curves of his music are defined. Ambrose isn\u2019t like that. He&#8217;s like Earth. He&#8217;s elemental. Instinctual and patient when he plays. He\u2019s conscientious and very present and has all that history in him. We saw Ambrose recently as a duo with Sullivan [Fortner] at SFJazz. They were honoring Louis Armstrong and Earl \u201cFatha\u201d Hines and did a version of \u201cWest End Blues.\u201d I&#8217;m so used to hearing Ambrose in his own context. But if you bring him into a more traditional one, he shows his pedigree too. He knows how to sound traditional when he wants to. He sounded like Wynton. It was weird. Crazy. Then he can go into his own thing. With him, there&#8217;s no brakes. Everything is gas.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can see him processing what he&#8217;s hearing as he&#8217;s playing it. With his lines, there is almost no clear end or clear start. Everything comes in waves. It&#8217;s this wonderful flow, and he can be fully present the whole time. It\u2019s unreal. He takes you to that place beyond thought. His presence is supreme. It&#8217;s crazy. I&#8217;ve never seen anything like it. He\u2019s making pure art, man. You can&#8217;t categorize it as anything else. And that\u2019s kinda like jazz itself. Jazz is the only music where you can play a different thing each gig and the audience goes along with you. Jazz means you can play whatever the fuck you want.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>New Jazz Underground will be performing at the Newport Jazz Festival on Saturday, August 2, 2025. More information on the Festival can be&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/newportjazz.org\/\">found here<\/a>. 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