{"id":1835,"date":"2020-11-06T06:38:00","date_gmt":"2020-11-06T12:38:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/?p=1835"},"modified":"2020-11-06T13:09:17","modified_gmt":"2020-11-06T19:09:17","slug":"hal-willner-marc-urselli","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/hal-willner-marc-urselli\/","title":{"rendered":"Underappreciated Giant: Marc Urselli on  &#8216;Angelheaded Hipster&#8217; and the legacy of Hal Willner"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>There are no words to soothe this grief-stricken year. As the COVID-19 pandemic ebbs on, artists everywhere are faced with a responsibility to innovate and inspire with renewed vigor as well as to celebrate and memorialize the legacies of those we have lost. Among those losses was an unsung titan of modern music: producer Hal Willner, who passed away on April 7th. A tireless behind-the-scenes figure, the words \u201ceclectic\u201d and \u201cprolific\u201d only scratch the surface of his output, which concluded posthumously this year with <em>Angelheaded Hipster: The Songs of Marc Bolan and T. Rex<\/em>. It is a sonic cornucopia of immense scale, the likes of which Willner became known throughout an extensive discography of expansive multi-artist concept albums and themed concerts (not to mention his 40-year tenure as the musical force behind <em>Saturday Night Live<\/em>). His ambitious projects never failed to distill a wide conceptual scope and seemingly disparate musical contributors into a cohesive whole, revealing a profound underlying message about music\u2019s connective power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> In sinking my teeth into <em>Angelheaded Hipster, <\/em>I ended up with a browser-full of open tabs rivalling the hundreds of collaborators involved in this beast of a double album. Numerous threads feed into this project from diverse corners of the musical world while reflecting the somewhat obscure, yet pervasive legacy of Marc Bolan\u2019s music. No one could wring divine symmetry from such an entanglement like Hal Willner. Marc Urselli, Chief House Engineer at legendary NYC recording studio Eastside Sound and recording \/ mixing engineer for <em>Angelheaded Hipster<\/em> was kind enough to offer recollections on Hal\u2019s legacy and the project\u2019s four-year materialization, as well as his own journey from the Italian DIY scene to becoming a first-call NYC recording vet.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PostGenre:&nbsp; Before we get to Hal and this huge project, I would love for you to walk us through your journey from the DIY scene in Italy to working your way up through the upper echelons of the NYC production scene.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Marc Urselli: It started around the mid-90s. I was in various bands and decided to record our rehearsals, so I bought some microphones and equipment and I kept buying more stuff until it dawned on me that it would be a good career path. I opened my first recording studio at age 17 and started recording a bunch of punk\/hardcore bands as that was the scene in the 90s in Italy for the most part. I did a lot of recording for two or three years but I felt I kind of hit a ceiling and needed to expand my horizons. So, I went to New York for an internship in a recording studio, Eastside Sound. The idea originally was to go back to Italy after a 3 or 6 month internship, but New York kind of blew my mind.&nbsp; I just stayed and kept working at Eastside as an unpaid runner \/ intern, graduated to assistant, eventually to engineer and now chief engineer, so I\u2019m still at the same studio where I started as an intern.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_nIgqy1zT1cg\"><div id=\"lyte_nIgqy1zT1cg\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/nIgqy1zT1cg\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/nIgqy1zT1cg\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/nIgqy1zT1cg\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: How are things in the city right now with the pandemic and everything?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: It\u2019s not as bad as the media makes it out to be. I\u2019ve seen some memes and some people making fun of the fact that the violence depicted by the media is nowhere to be seen. I haven\u2019t seen violence, in fact, there\u2019s an almost festive vibe on weekends because the restaurants had been given permission during the summer months to set up shop on the sidewalks. So when you go into the streets you see them lined with restaurants taking up the sidewalk or even the parking lane &#8211; it must be hell if you\u2019re trying to find a parking spot. But the result for New Yorkers and pedestrians is that you can walk through the streets and there\u2019s this festive mood of restaurant after restaurant. It\u2019s not as bad as people make it out to be, but of course, that doesn\u2019t detract from the severity and sadness of the whole situation which is getting worse now with winter on the way. I live between New York and London, and London is entering into a new lockdown up until December 2nd. <\/p><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/08\/24\/opinion\/jerry-seinfeld-new-york-coronavirus.html\">I\u2019m with Seinfeld; <\/a>&nbsp;New York will bounce back as it always does. But the festive mood in the streets on a weekend doesn\u2019t take away from the fact that all the venues are closed and so people in the arts are struggling. Museums have reopened, which is a good thing, but the hypocrisy of letting restaurants be open at half capacity, or 25% or whatever it is, but not letting concert venues be open is killing the music industry completely\u2026 It\u2019s a trickle-down effect: if the venues stay closed, the musicians can\u2019t play gigs. If the musicians can\u2019t play gigs they don\u2019t have money to record. I\u2019ve noticed that on my side of things because I work in a recording studio that reopened on July 1st. We\u2019ve reopened, but business is slow because people have no money to record. It\u2019s going to take time. I don\u2019t think we\u2019ll be back to any sense of normalcy until probably the summer of next year.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Let\u2019s dive into the album &#8211; it\u2019s such a mammoth project and I know it was Hal\u2019s baby for years and years. I wanted to ask you about the workflow division &#8211; what your role was versus his role in more of that \u201cproducer\u201d kind of chair.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: The word producer has been misused for years now. Making a beat in the bedroom does not make you a producer. Hal was a real producer in the sense that George Martin was a producer, or Rick Rubin is one. These are people that can take a project from start to end and look at the overall arc of the project and all the elements and factors that come into making that project. My role was to make sure that Hal could do all of that without having to worry about any of the technicalities around that, because obviously a lot comes into play when you\u2019re recording an album over four years in multiple countries all over the world. My main job was to record and mix and make sure everything sounds amazing. But there\u2019s a lot of other things that go into it, such as file management, keeping track of all the session details, making sure every time you do something it\u2019s backed up in multiple locations, traveling with microphones and hard drives etc. Plus, sometimes booking studios or hotels if we had to go somewhere &#8211; those duties I was sharing with Rachel Fox who was Hal Willner\u2019s manager\/lawyer. Hal considered this his \u201cwhite album,\u201d and I second that and feel the same about it in my own discography.<\/p><p><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_bckUovAgZiQ\"><div id=\"lyte_bckUovAgZiQ\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/bckUovAgZiQ\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/bckUovAgZiQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/bckUovAgZiQ\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: So you were playing the role of both recording and mixing engineer?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Yes, I was the recording and mixing engineer on the entire project. I flew around the world with Hal. We went to many different locations; most of the record was cut between Los Angeles and New York, but we did other sessions in Chicago, New Orleans and France. We definitely got around.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG:&nbsp; How do you go about getting a consistent, unified album sound concept when you\u2019re working with a huge roster of guests and in different locations? How did you and Hal talk about shaping that?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: We didn\u2019t really talk about it, Hal just trusted me to do that. I\u2019ve worked with Hal for many years before this project, so it\u2019s not like Hal just hired me and hoped for the best &#8211; he knew he could trust me because we\u2019ve done other albums and productions together. As for the overall consistency of the sound, I appreciate the comment, because that\u2019s part of my job, but it\u2019s kind of intrinsic in the fact that I\u2019m giving the album a certain style by being the same person across all the sessions. So, to a degree, I would use similar microphones on things, even though it was different studios and preamps. All the sessions were done on analog consoles and for the most part they were Neve consoles. We always ensured that the best equipment was being used. Even though there are other variables in play, I was the constant across all those sessions and my leaving that kind of imprint on the sound is what gives it consistency.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: We should circle back &#8211; how did you first meet Hal and begin working with him?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Hal was Lou Reed\u2019s producer and one of his best friends. I had worked with Lou for seven years before he passed. I met Hal through Lou, probably 15 years ago when I started working with Lou. We did a bunch of productions together where the artist was Lou and Hal was the producer. Also a lot of live tours. And then Hal started hiring me for his live sound productions. Just like his records are multi-artist concept albums, Hal had amazing multi-artist concept shows. We did one <a href=\"http:\/\/thetownhall.org\/event\/the-dylan-63\">about Bob Dylan\u2019s first concert at Town Hall<\/a>. We did another one <a href=\"http:\/\/thetownhall.org\/event\/the-kentucky-derby-is-decadent-and-depraved\">about\u00a0 Hunter Thompson\u2019s Kentucky Derby<\/a>. There\u2019s so many that Hal did throughout the years.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_AaQTD3jY-no\"><div id=\"lyte_AaQTD3jY-no\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/AaQTD3jY-no\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/AaQTD3jY-no\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/AaQTD3jY-no\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: I read that he was doing that in the studio and then budgets started to shrink so he turned to the live setting, is that right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: I don\u2019t know if that was the reason but it is certainly possible. I think Hal was just being asked to put together casts of characters that would otherwise seem unlikely. People would ask him to do things knowing that was one of his greatest talents.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Let\u2019s talk about the inspiration for this project, Marc Bolan. I didn\u2019t realize what a huge influence he\u2019s been on so many different artists, and I was wondering what Hal\u2019s relationship with his music was that drove him to put so much time and energy into this project.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Well, I\u2019m not ashamed to say that, like you, I was not fully aware of the impact that T. Rex had on music in general. If you get yourself a physical copy, which you should, besides being able to read through the incredible list of credits, you will see that the physical product has two sets of liner notes: one written by David Fricke, senior editor at <em>Rolling Stone<\/em> magazine, and the other by Hal. If you read those liner notes, Hal will say that he wasn\u2019t fully aware of the impact that T. Rex had. When he started downloading and listening to everything, he realized that not only was Marc Bolan a great rocker, a great performer, and a great influence on the styles of people like David Bowie, but also was a great songwriter and lyricist. <\/p><p>When people talk about Marc Bolan they talk about his influence on style because Bowie borrowed a lot from him in terms of glitter and androgynous modes of dressing on stage, or even people like Slash, who borrowed the top hat from Marc. He was always influencing styles, but he also influenced the music a lot and his lyrics are very on point. So if you look at it from that perspective, it gives Marc a whole other weight, and that\u2019s what Hal started doing. Hal decided to start looking at him as a songwriter and a lyricist. The first song we did for this record four years ago was the one with Nick Cave doing \u201cCosmic Dancer,\u201d and I remember that at the end of that session, Hal turned to me and said to me &#8211; I\u2019m paraphrasing, something along the lines of &#8211; \u201cit\u2019s clear to me now that this record will be about Marc\u2019s words and Marc\u2019s songs.\u201d Nick Cave\u2019s performance kind of helped solidify that thought for Hal.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_wc7mDChiiNU\"><div id=\"lyte_wc7mDChiiNU\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/wc7mDChiiNU\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/wc7mDChiiNU\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/wc7mDChiiNU\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Marc\u2019s a really interesting underground figure, kind of analogous to Hal in a sense. In the same way that I didn\u2019t know much about Marc, I also didn\u2019t know much about Hal. Of course, there\u2019s Saturday Night Live [where Willner served as producer for the show\u2019s musical skits for four decades prior to his passing from COVID in April of 2020]. But I never knew he produced <em>Night Music<\/em> where David Sanborn would often host a wide range of artists. Nor that he had this huge array of concept albums and things. What\u2019s one Hal project that you think maybe doesn\u2019t get enough credit that we should go back and check out?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>PG: Well, I think none of Hal\u2019s projects got enough credit. I think he made incredible records that didn\u2019t get enough credit. He made the one about Disney [<em>Stay Awake: Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films<\/em> (A&amp;M, 1988)] which was amazing. He made another about Kurt Weill [<em>Lost in the Stars: The Music of Kurt Weill<\/em> (A&amp;M, 1985)] that was great. He did two records of sailor songs [<em>Rogue\u2019s Gallery: Pirate Ballads, Sea Songs, and Chanteys <\/em>(ANTI-, 2006) and <em>Son of Rogues Gallery: Pirate Ballads, Sea Songs &amp; Chanteys <\/em>(ANTI- , 2013)]<em> <\/em>which I really, really enjoy. I really love those records. And he produced a lot of records of people individually, including a bunch with Marianne Faithful. <\/p><p>It\u2019s interesting, after Hal died, I decided to create a little website for him where I collected all the tributes that people wrote for him. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.haltribute.com\">You can check this out at www.haltribute.com.<\/a> Initially, I created this to collect all the tributes so that Hal\u2019s wife Sheila and his son Arlo could check this out later. Obviously they were grieving and I wanted them to be able to not miss out on any of the beautiful things people were saying about Hal. But the site turned into this archival project for me where I discovered all of these things about Hal that I didn\u2019t know even after knowing him for years. That includes what a massive discography he had. <a href=\"http:\/\/haltribute.com\/discography\/\">If you look at the discography page on the site<\/a>, you\u2019ll find that he had produced records for 40 years. <\/p><p>In fact, since you asked me, one of my favorite records of Hal was his very first record, which he did 40 years ago. It\u2019s called <em>Amarcord Nina Rota <\/em>(Hannibal, 1981)]. It\u2019s the music of Nino Rota, the Italian composer who composed the music for movies like <em>The Godfather<\/em>, Federico Fellini movies and stuff like that. <a href=\"https:\/\/corbettvsdempsey.bandcamp.com\/album\/amarcord-nino-rota\">This record was actually re-released two years ago on CD by Corbett Vs Dempsey; initially, it was only available on vinyl. <\/a>It\u2019s a fantastic record. I believe it\u2019s also the first appearance of Bill Frisell on a record. Hal was instrumental in discovering Bill Frisell and in helping the careers of many musicians, like Jeff Buckley. He was a huge influence on a number of musicians\u2019 careers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=3146771866\/album=698159488\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=3477951836\/album=698159488\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Frisell shows up on <em>Angelheaded Hipster<\/em> as well, is that right?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Yeah, Bill played on a bunch of the tracks. There\u2019s 150 musicians on the album. It is so many that really the only way to see who plays on which track is with the physical copy.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: This project seems so well-aligned with Hal\u2019s ethos of being beyond genre and category. Was that part of his personal philosophy, to try to bridge all these different things and deliver this message about the universality of music?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Definitely, definitely. I don\u2019t know if it was a conscious choice.&nbsp; I don\u2019t know if Hal was saying \u201cI intend to bridge genres.\u201d I think it was just normal for him because he listened to so much music. Hal is one of the most eclectic music lovers that I\u2019ve ever met. I remember I used to go to his studio to visit him, and if you looked around his studio you would see thousands of vinyl records all over. The diversity of those records was baffling. You would see hip hop next to jazz next to experimental music. Everything was there, new and old. You would go there and see the latest. One time I went there, I think it was just after Kendrick Lamar won a Grammy two or three years ago. I walked in and was surprised to see this Kendrick Lamar record sitting there, obviously, Hal had picked it up. It\u2019s quite amazing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL__p2vIpl-nOg\"><div id=\"lyte__p2vIpl-nOg\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/_p2vIpl-nOg\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/_p2vIpl-nOg\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/_p2vIpl-nOg\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Beyond the <em>Angelheaded Hipster<\/em>, what\u2019s next for you? What do you have in the works?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: I\u2019m working on a lot of different things right now. I work closely with John Zorn who\u2019s an amazing New York composer. John is one of the most prolific people I work with. To give you an idea of how much he creates, last week we were in the studio for 7 days and during that time, we\u2019ve made three new records. Two are with Bill Frisell, Julian Lage, and Gyan Riley, which occupy the space between classical and jazz. The third is a metal record with one of Zorn\u2019s bands called Simulacrum with John Medeski on organ, Kenny Grohowski on drums, Matt Hollenberg on guitar, and special guest Brian Marsella on Rhodes<strong>. <\/strong>So very diverse! There\u2019s another eclectic person for you! Other than the sessions that I do in the studio, and I always do different kinds of sessions of all genres, the things that I\u2019m working on now are two records that I\u2019m producing that are going to come out next year. One is a new record with my quartet with film director Jim Jarmusch, Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, and a Hungarian drummer named Balasz Pandi.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=232940638\/album=2698064616\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Ah, y\u2019all have new stuff on the way? I checked out that one record you put out.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Yeah, that was two years ago on the Austrian label Trost records. We\u2019re making a new record which is coming out soon. Then, the thing that I\u2019m most proud of which I\u2019ve been working on for years and is finally seeing the light is a record I\u2019m producing &#8211; talk about&nbsp;bridging genres, this is why Hal and I got along so well. We both saw no borders and no limits between genres, we were both interested in bringing genres together. So for me, one of the ways I did this is I produced this record which brings together throat singing with doom metal players. Throat singing is a technique where you create overtones with your vocal cords and doom metal is obviously a sub genre of slow metal. So I brought together doom metal players from mostly Europe and the U.S. with throat singers from Tuva, Mongolia and Siberia and all these remote places where this is a technique that they employ. It took me years to do it but finally it\u2019s coming together. I\u2019m talking to a label now and it should come out next year. The record is going to be called <em>SteppenDoom<\/em>, like Steppenwolf but with the word \u201cdoom\u201d instead of wolf.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Why Steppenwolf? What\u2019s the angle there?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>MU: Well, the \u201csteppe\u2019\u201d kind of scenery is what\u2019s common amongst the areas where throat singing comes from. A lot of the Mongolian throat singers are actually nomads who live in tents and move around with their horses, their sheep, their eagles, and whatnot. So \u201cSteppenDoom\u201d has been the working title, I think I\u2019m going to go with that.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/angelheadedhipster.shop.musictoday.com\/store\/\">Angelheaded Hipster: The Songs of Marc Bolan and T. Rex is now available on vinyl, CD, or digitally. <\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To learn more about Marc Urselli, check out:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.marcurselli.com\">Marcurselli.com<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/marcurselli\">His Instagram<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/facebook.com\/marcurselli\">His Facebook<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/marcurselli\">His Twitter<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There are no words to soothe this grief-stricken year. As the COVID-19 pandemic ebbs on, artists everywhere are faced with a responsibility to innovate and inspire with renewed vigor as well as to celebrate and memorialize the legacies of those we have lost. 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