{"id":4519,"date":"2022-05-28T16:53:46","date_gmt":"2022-05-28T21:53:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/?p=4519"},"modified":"2022-05-28T19:49:50","modified_gmt":"2022-05-29T00:49:50","slug":"undercurrent-laswell-ivarsson-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/undercurrent-laswell-ivarsson-ii\/","title":{"rendered":"Undercurrent: A Conversation with Ulf Ivarsson and Bill Laswell (Part Two)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>We continue our conversation with bassists Ulf Ivarsson and Bill Laswell (<a href=\"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/undercurrent-laswell-ivarsson-i\/\">read Part One here<\/a>) with a further discussion of their new album <em>Nammu<\/em> (Ropeadope, 2022). We also cover Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, turntablists, and the concept of genre. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PostGenre: Ulf, how did you write the parts for <em>Nammu<\/em>?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Ulf Ivarsson: When I sat down to put these tracks together, I came prepared. I had my ideas ready to go and was clear about what I wanted to do with the music. We had only a few months to put everything together musically, instead of a few years. I programmed the drums and the synthesizer. I started approaching the recording, essentially as a demo. Once my ideas became clearer, and I knew better what I wanted to do for certain parts, I put them into the music. A lot of the music was tightly arranged before I showed it to the musicians. Most of the sax parts are improvised but there were guides for him to follow. And the electronic parts were programmed and played by me. Overall, my picture of the music was very clear before I brought in the other musicians.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=1318816671\/album=2242755614\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: At times, the music on <em>Nammu<\/em> is reminiscent of recordings from Miles Davis\u2019 electric period. For instance, certain moments in Thomas Backman\u2019s alto sax solo on \u201cIm Nun\u201d sound a little like Sonny Fortune on <em>Agharta <\/em>(Columbia, 1975) and <em>Pangaea <\/em>(Columbia, 1976). You both mentioned Miles a little earlier. What influence do you think his music had on this project?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>UI: There\u2019s no trumpet on <em>Nammu<\/em>. And the colors used differ significantly from track to track. But the influence from Miles\u2019 electric period is undeniable. As far as that specific solo, I can see a connection to <em>Agharta<\/em>. But I recommended to Thomas that he try to play like Peter Br\u00f6tzmann, but a little less aggressive. Ultimately, I told him to just go for it. I need to go outside the box musically, and tell the other musicians I work with to do so also. I think Miles did the same with his band on each of his albums.&nbsp;<\/p><p>Additionally, because of the openness of both Miles\u2019 music and ours, it\u2019s natural that <em>Nammu<\/em> would be influenced somewhat by Miles. I\u2019ve long been a fan of Miles\u2019 live recordings in particular and am sure those are sometimes in the back of my mind when composing. Bill, you may know the true story on this; were both <em>Agharta <\/em>and <em>Pangea recorded<\/em> on the same day?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_DUR6zK9XcaM\"><div id=\"lyte_DUR6zK9XcaM\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/DUR6zK9XcaM\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/DUR6zK9XcaM\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/DUR6zK9XcaM\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Bill Laswell: They were both recorded around the same time, live in Tokyo in February 1975. They did a few shows while there.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>UI: <em>Dark Magus<\/em> (Columbia, 1977) was recorded before that, right?&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_YWq5va4UX3Y\"><div id=\"lyte_YWq5va4UX3Y\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/YWq5va4UX3Y\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/YWq5va4UX3Y\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/YWq5va4UX3Y\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: I think they recorded <em>Dark Magus<\/em> in New York, at Carnegie Hall, financed by a Japanese label. The guy who made that record happen was named Tatsu Nosaki.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Bill, you spent significant time remixing Miles&#8217; electric era recordings for <em>Panthalassa: The Music of Miles Davis 1969\u20131974<\/em><\/strong><em> <\/em><strong>(Columbia, 1998). You are working on a new remix as well, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: Yeah, it&#8217;s finished. You will hear about it really soon, I hope. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_z2OrVsFw_2Q\"><div id=\"lyte_z2OrVsFw_2Q\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/z2OrVsFw_2Q\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/z2OrVsFw_2Q\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/z2OrVsFw_2Q\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Did you also almost work with Miles? There is a rumor that when he was starting to put together Tutu (Warner, 1986), he reached out to you to request that you work on a few tracks, but you were not interested.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: Well, it wasn\u2019t Miles who reached out to me. It was Tommy LiPuma, who was an executive at Warner Brothers. Tommy said that Miles wanted to do a record with me but only wanted me to do half of the album. They were going to go with Marcus Miller for the other half. I told Tommy and his people that I didn\u2019t want to do only half of a record. <\/p><p>But I also told them I had an idea that I wanted to discuss directly with Miles. They set me up to meet with Miles in Paris, and I explained my idea to him. He seemed really into my concept. But I told him that I couldn\u2019t do half of an album as they were discussing. I would need to do a whole album but would be happy to wait for the next one. That next one didn\u2019t end up happening. Miles had only a few more years left to live. I didn\u2019t expect him to die so soon after.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Do you feel he would have gone in a different direction if he had gone with you for that full album?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: Absolutely. 100% different direction.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Any sense of what that direction would be?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: No. I don&#8217;t try to make predictions or engage in hypotheticals. But I do know that I would have written the music very differently than what ended up on <em>Tutu<\/em>.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_5F3saBNWnOA\"><div id=\"lyte_5F3saBNWnOA\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/5F3saBNWnOA\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/5F3saBNWnOA\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/5F3saBNWnOA\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Since we are on the topic of some legendary musicians you have worked with, is it true that somewhere there is a recording of you and [saxophonist and Curlew leader] George Cartwright with Ornette Coleman?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: George and I played with Ornette, but we did not record. In 1980, Ornette was trying to put together a band of new people in New York with a lot of guitars. I think he called the band White House. I told Ornette that George loved his music and took George to the rehearsal. But the band didn\u2019t end up working out, and nothing was recorded. But I knew Ornette very well and have about four hours of bass and alto saxophone duets that I will eventually put out, somehow.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Fascinating. Have you ever considered writing an autobiography?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: Yeah, just before our call, I was talking to a writer, S.H. Fernando, Jr., who can hopefully help me get one done. He\u2019s written a book on the Wu-Tang Clan [<em>From the Streets of Shaolin: The Wu-Tang Saga<\/em> (Hachette, 2021)]. He\u2019s currently working on one on MF Doom. And he previously wrote <em>The New Beats<\/em> (Anchor, 1994), the definitive hip hop book in the 90s.<\/p><p>I\u2019ve tried many times with different writers to get a biography written. But the writers all seemed a little overwhelmed with the project. Part of their difficulty comes from my continuing to record and make music. Because I am still making music, there is no good ending to the book. Often the writers move on. I would like to write something before I lose my memory. At the moment, I could do it, but the bigger problem is finding a publisher and a book deal. But, hopefully, it all comes together within the next year or so.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/album=220250254\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: You both adopt a very broad approach to music. Is there anything musically that you have not explored yet but would be interested in exploring?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>UI: Often, whether I would like to further explore something is a gut decision, not based on anything I can verbalize very well. Much depends on who my collaborators will be and how interesting I find their other music. For example, last week, I met a guy who makes music using turntables. He didn\u2019t use scratching but more mixing of samples on the turntables to make a melody. The sound he gets on the turntable is very cool. I may try to make something with him and a horn player and see how it sounds. I\u2019m generally pretty open-minded musically.&nbsp;<\/p><p>But I\u2019m also in a small musical environment here in Sweden. It is difficult to find other musicians here who make music more aligned with my interests. It\u2019s much easier to find collaborators in the [United] States. There is also a British tabla player named Talvin Singh with whom I would be interested in collaborating. But the point is that I may need to move outside Sweden to have musical opportunities that better align with my interests.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_chdx7_Gxuak\"><div id=\"lyte_chdx7_Gxuak\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/chdx7_Gxuak\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/chdx7_Gxuak\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/chdx7_Gxuak\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: I&#8217;m very fortunate to have, during my career, already done most of what I wanted to do musically. Occasionally, There are not many new people I would like to work with, but there are some. I also go through phases when it comes to music. My newest phase uses minimal repetitions in music. I\u2019m going to do a few records with just drum and bass and little else.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/album=753901966\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Do you see these phases throughout your career as wholly separate, or are they somehow connected? Or, put another way, are bands like Praxis, Painkiller, Material, Arcana, and the rest different stops along a common line?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: They are all connected in some way. You could even argue they are continuations of one another, but maybe the connections aren\u2019t as obvious to some people. Another phase I am planning to visit soon is modern hip hop. There are a lot of younger musicians who provide beats for very established artists. I am going to see if I can find a way to incorporate my bass into their music.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/album=4117765326\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Have you been surprised by how the use of turntables and samples has evolved and developed since you did \u201cRockit\u201d with Herbie Hancock and Grandmixer DXT almost forty years ago?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_GHhD4PD75zY\"><div id=\"lyte_GHhD4PD75zY\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/GHhD4PD75zY\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/GHhD4PD75zY\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/GHhD4PD75zY\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: Their use has certainly evolved a lot since I worked on \u201cRockit.\u201d About twenty years ago,I was in a band with Rob Swift and The X-Ecutionwrs. We had eight turntables. Then, I went through a period with DJ Krush and Rob Swift. But, generally, other than working with DJ Logic, I haven\u2019t used the turntable much since then. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PG: Ulf once noted that he sought \u201cmusic without any genres, open-minded attitude whatever style and creativity with instinct rather than smartness and credibility.\u201d What are both of your thoughts on genre?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>BL: I don&#8217;t believe in genres. It may help people find things in a record store, but it shouldn\u2019t limit anyone. Those limits are unnecessary.&nbsp;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/album=3413701203\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/album=843646583\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>UI: I think the insistence on genres can be a big issue. I can understand how categorizing music can provide some people with a sense of identity and security. But the process, in general, is very stupid. For genres to work, you often must rely on other people telling you whether something sounds good, whether you should listen to a particular record, and how much value there is in a specific genre. If you tell someone you are into prog rock, they may try to convince you it\u2019s not very good. But there are many great prog albums by King Crimson and many others.&nbsp;<\/p><p>I don\u2019t understand the close-mindedness some people have towards music. The lack of inhibitions is what initially got me interested in punk music. You could do anything you wanted musically within the punk sphere. Imposing limitations, which does come with an emphasis on genre, is not good for music. It can needlessly put walls around your tastes. Once you start putting up fences around you, you crush your creativity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Nammu <\/strong><\/em><strong>is now available on Ropeadope Records. It can be purchased on <a href=\"https:\/\/ulfivarsson.bandcamp.com\/album\/nammu\">Bandcamp<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>More Information on Bill Laswell can be found on his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.silent-watcher.net\/billlaswell\/\">website. <\/a>More Information on Ulf Ivarsson can be found on <a href=\"https:\/\/m.facebook.com\/ulfivarssonmusicpage\/\">his Facebook Page.<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We continue our conversation with bassists Ulf Ivarsson and Bill Laswell (read Part One here) with a further discussion of their new album Nammu (Ropeadope, 2022). We also cover Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, turntablists, and the concept of genre. 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