{"id":8184,"date":"2024-04-01T13:01:00","date_gmt":"2024-04-01T18:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/?p=8184"},"modified":"2024-04-22T12:07:05","modified_gmt":"2024-04-22T17:07:05","slug":"reflections-karriem-riggins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/reflections-karriem-riggins\/","title":{"rendered":"Reflections : A Conversation with Karriem Riggins on Jahari Massamba Unit\u2019s \u2018YHWH is Love\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"\">The corporate-led division of music into genres ignored the reality of the music presented. This is perhaps no better seen than in the relationship between \u201cjazz\u201d and \u201chip hop.\u201d Over the last two decades, many have written about the meeting of these two stylistic influences. This analysis, however, is incredibly misguided. Technically speaking, it is impossible to merge jazz and hip hop. They are both one and the same. Both originated from the same demographic &#8211; primarily Black, urban, young men. Both make novel use of rhythms and improvisation. Both stretched ideas of existing music, whether expanding chords, eliminating them entirely, or sampling someone else\u2019s work. The historical record &#8211; jazz supposedly \u201cdied\u201d in the same era as hip hop\u2019s rise &#8211; also supports the position that the two supposed genres are one music. You can also hear that unity well on Jahari Massamba Unit\u2019s sophomore release,&nbsp;<em>YHWH is Love<\/em>&nbsp;(Law of Rhythm, 2024).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><em>YHWH is Love<\/em>&nbsp;is deliciously difficult to categorize. At times, as on the spacey \u201cRubato Love\u201d, one would be excused for mistakenly thinking they stumbled upon some long-lost record Lonnie Liston Smith from the 70s. The tight grooves on \u201cThe Clappers Cousin\u201d, \u201cSeven Mile to Oxnard,\u201d and \u201cAnointed Soul\u201d are unmistakably indebted to drum machines and sampled beats. The short interlude \u201cE11even\u201d suggests Sun Ra\u2019s cosmic travels. Dedicating the album to God further brings in hues of spiritual jazz and gospel music. Each piece complements each other well, further cementing the connections between these allegedly different musical ideas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Listening to&nbsp;<em>YHWH is Love<\/em>&nbsp;is a magical experience. This transcendent element is in large part due to the uncanny parallels between the duo\u2019s artists, Madlib and Karriem Riggins. Both come from a line of great Black musicians. In Madlib\u2019s case, it is his father, soul singer Otis Jackson, Sr., and his uncle Jon Faddis. Riggins is the son of Emmanuel Riggins, a gifted keyboardist. They are each also enamored with past jazz greats. One need only listen to Madlib\u2019s work with Yesterdays New Quintet and his invasion of Blue Note Records or Riggins\u2019 work with Roy Hargrove, Ray Brown, Mulgrew Miller, Betty Carter, and others. Both Madlib and Riggins are also established hip hop producers with impressive releases to their credit. And, perhaps most importantly of all, they adopt an equally expansive view of their craft, one dedicated to fully expressing themselves instead of forcing perceived genre norms.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">We sat down with Karriem Riggins to discuss the Jahari Massamba Unit, Ray Brown, Diana Krall, and Norah Jones. We also discuss the groundbreaking collective, the Soulquarians, of which the drummer should be considered an honorary member. In particular, we cover some of his time with one of the finest compositional minds of the third millennium &#8211; James Yancey, AKA J Dilla.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PostGenre: This second Jahari Massamba Unit album is titled <em>YHWH is Love<\/em>, or put another way, \u201cGod is Love.\u201d Where do you see the role of music when it comes to spiritual matters?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">Karriem Riggins: Well for me, I always feel God is present in the music that I create and that I want to create. In large part, that is because music is healing. I&#8217;ve seen people healed through music. Music is therapy. I feel like it helped me while creating this record that the feeling of God was present in the music. Especially with the world in the shape it is in today. Focusing on God brought so many positive things out of me while I was creating.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=766402754\/album=2367897758\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: What do you feel, then, most sets <em>YHWH is Love <\/em>apart from Jahari Massamba Unit\u2019s prior album, <em>Pardon My French <\/em>(Madlib Invazion, 2020)?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: I feel that a lot of the ideas we created for this one are a little more diverse. There is more of a hip hop element than on our last record. Of course, [Madlib and I] are pretty much both musical chameleons. We listen to and do everything. Since I like to listen to everything, I want all those diverse influences reflected in my music and certainly did on this album.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Do you see much of a distinction between these different categories of music like jazz and hip hop?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Not at all. I don&#8217;t generally categorize anything into those names. I feel like my music is inspired by everything out there. Why limit it?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_ZX4zf0anA_4\"><div id=\"lyte_ZX4zf0anA_4\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ZX4zf0anA_4\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ZX4zf0anA_4\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ZX4zf0anA_4\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: While you are a hip hop producer, your jazz credentials are also impressive. For one, you were in Ray Brown\u2019s last trio, before he passed. What do you feel you learned the most from working with him?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: I learned things from Ray both musically and in terms of business.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">I learned how to play arrangements and how to be punctual as far as letting the soloist or singer know where everyone is in the song, instead of playing in a way where people can get lost easily. I learned from him the ability to make the leader feel safe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">And on the business side, he taught me a lot about being a professional and starting a business. Things like paying taxes. I never really had any schooling that taught me about those things because I didn&#8217;t go to college. They don&#8217;t teach financial matters in high school and most colleges don&#8217;t show you how to be an entrepreneur either.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Most people who did go to college also do not know about tax rules and filings.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: I suppose that is true. The education around managing your finances is shockingly inadequate. I\u2019m grateful Ray taught me those things. That also applies to taking care of yourself with things like health insurance or having a retirement account.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: Yeah, those are incredibly important things for everyone to do. As far as musically, however, do you feel it was your time with Ray Brown that got you working with Diana Krall and Norah Jones? While Norah has done some work with Outkast, neither\u2019s music is particularly tied to hip hop.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: My working relationship with Diana Krall came directly from my time with Ray. I met Diana when Ray was putting together an album featuring singers, including her. That was probably around 1998. But Diana and I stayed in touch since then. By the year 2005 or so, her drummer left and she gave me a call to see if I would join her. That&#8217;s when we started to work together. It&#8217;s been a great working relationship since. We are still working on stuff together, off and on. I feel blessed to know Diana. She&#8217;s another one of those artists who knows so much about music and its history. She is a great person to collaborate with. I have so much respect for her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_z3wVH09UeFc\"><div id=\"lyte_z3wVH09UeFc\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/z3wVH09UeFc\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/z3wVH09UeFc\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/z3wVH09UeFc\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">I met Norah through one of Diana\u2019s assistants who also worked with Norah. And I ended up playing on a couple of songs on her album, <em>Daybreaks<\/em> (Blue Note, 2016).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: It is great to hear you on those tracks. Normally, Norah is playing with Brian Blade. Though he is fantastic, it is nice to mix things up sometimes and feature other artists too.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Brian is incredible, man. He is one of my favorites. But I\u2019ve enjoyed working with Norah. Actually, fairly recently, I sent her some things that I wanted to have her sing on on an album I\u2019m releasing soon.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: What more can you share about that forthcoming album?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Eh, it is a little too early to say anything else.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: OK, no problem. So, in terms of the connections between \u201cjazz\u201d and \u201chip hop\u201d, do you see your music as a continuation of what your dad did with Grant Green? [ed. note: Riggins\u2019 late father, Emmanuel Riggins played electric piano with Green during the 1970s].<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Absolutely. In my music, you can hear reflections of all that my dad, Grant Green, and all of them have done. In a way, hip hop is under the umbrella of all of that music. But there are also so many different things that make hip hop what it is. It\u2019s new because it\u2019s forever evolving. Actually, it is that constant evolution that makes me love creating that music. You can create something new that hasn&#8217;t been heard before. Sure, many things have been recreated and embellished on over the years, but a lot of it is new territory.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_roG0RmhqqXs\"><div id=\"lyte_roG0RmhqqXs\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/roG0RmhqqXs\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/roG0RmhqqXs\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/roG0RmhqqXs\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Related to that breadth in scope, do you feel that your role as a producer has shaped how you approach playing the drums or vice-versa?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Yeah, for sure. When I record drums, I like to have different sounds. I use the same set but mix it all in a different way so things sound different. From a producer&#8217;s perspective, that diversity is what I&#8217;m looking for when I hear drums. And I try to implement that in what I&#8217;m doing.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: It seems many artists today are exploring the intersection of ideas from jazz and hip hop. Some people credit Roy Hargrove with opening up the doors to this trend. As someone who worked with Roy, do you agree with that perspective?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Maybe. But when I worked with Roy, a lot of his music at the time was straight ahead. I feel that Miles [Davis] opened the door by bridging a lot of what he did when he was young with newer music incorporating drum machines. I feel Max Roach opened doors as well. There were a lot of cats doing it. But I feel like our generation was the one that embraced the records and sampling, which brought the music to a new level.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_HInltYkB8iU\"><div id=\"lyte_HInltYkB8iU\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/HInltYkB8iU\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/HInltYkB8iU\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/HInltYkB8iU\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: Now, you met Madlib from working with J Dilla, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: We could probably spend hours talking about Dilla. But do you have any favorite memories of your time with him?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Oh, man. I was listening to Dilla&#8217;s music before I met him. And when I met him, it was like I was meeting one of the cats, someone like Ray Brown or Oscar Peterson. Dilla fully knew how to get things done, to execute ideas, on any instrument. He taught me a lot about production. He knew how to get musicians in the room to get a certain sound out of their instrument or a certain rhythm.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Of course, his instrument was a drum machine. At the time drum machines were a new thing for me. He inspired me to buy my [Akai] MPC 3000, which has been one of my primary instruments since.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_XL3ENrZwjmw\"><div id=\"lyte_XL3ENrZwjmw\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/XL3ENrZwjmw\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/XL3ENrZwjmw\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/XL3ENrZwjmw\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: Have you been surprised by the influence Dilla has had on other musicians since his death? He seems to be one of those artists who, like Charlie Parker, was not on earth very long but immensely changed music during their short time.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Absolutely. I feel like it&#8217;s a blessing because many of the great innovators who created sounds are next level. I feel like a lot of people don&#8217;t get it fully. I&#8217;m really happy that Dilla has touched music in the way he has. In younger musicians, I hear nuances that came from him. Even if some of the younger musicians don&#8217;t know who Dilla was, they are doing things that he brought into the music. He was great at bringing the little nuances, ghost notes, and certain other things that people did not really focus on before but now, thanks to Dilla, are incredibly relevant in music.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_3X8H-pfqLXA\"><div id=\"lyte_3X8H-pfqLXA\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/3X8H-pfqLXA\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/3X8H-pfqLXA\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/3X8H-pfqLXA\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: In your time with Dilla, you even finished his album, <em>The Shining<\/em> (BBE, 2006) after he had passed.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Yeah. Dilla and I had worked on it together and had the majority of it done when he died. I did add some finishing touches with artists that he wanted to get on some of the stuff that we recorded. We already had a good amount of music before he died but there were several different artists that he wanted to have featured on it and I reached out to the ones that he loved most.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: As far as your work on the album after his death, was it difficult finishing it in a way that you felt would be true to his vision when he&#8217;s not there to give any guidance?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Oh man, I felt his spirit there the whole time I worked on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">I got a call from him a few months before he passed. We were slated to go into the studio several times but his health was deteriorating to the point where he didn&#8217;t have the energy to go. In that call, he said to me, \u201cMan, please help me finish this album.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t think he meant on my own. But I think he already knew he didn&#8217;t have much time left. And, so, I finished it because that is what he wanted.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_ogZmaS5SrCY\"><div id=\"lyte_ogZmaS5SrCY\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ogZmaS5SrCY\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ogZmaS5SrCY\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/ogZmaS5SrCY\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_y5p8Bmv0NSQ\"><div id=\"lyte_y5p8Bmv0NSQ\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/y5p8Bmv0NSQ\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/y5p8Bmv0NSQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/y5p8Bmv0NSQ\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: So, we have talked about Roy Hargrove and J Dilla, both of whom were in the Soulquarians. Staying with the Soulquarians, among other things, you have produced seven albums for Common, including his groundbreaking <em>Like Water for Chocolate (<\/em>MCA, 2000). You have also been in the trio August Greene with him and Robert Glasper. Do you feel you approach playing the drums differently in August Greene than you do Jahari Massamba Unit?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: I think it depends on the song. Every song is different. Stylistically, there is nothing that I have in mind until I sit down and play. And that leads us down the road for whatever we&#8217;re creating.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>PG: And one last Soulquarian we should probably mention is Questlove. You were a producer on the Roots\u2019 <em>Phrenology<\/em> (MCA, 2002). As a fellow drummer with similar musical interests as his, has Questove been much of an influence on you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Absolutely. He\u2019s one of my favorite drummers. He&#8217;s still producing and his knowledge of music is so vast. He is one of my favorite people. And he has one of the greatest fills on the drums. He has an innovative sound.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"lyte-wrapper fourthree\" style=\"width:420px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_fRZACu4Sc4Q\"><div id=\"lyte_fRZACu4Sc4Q\" data-src=\"\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/fRZACu4Sc4Q\/hqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"play\"><\/div><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/fRZACu4Sc4Q\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/fRZACu4Sc4Q\/0.jpg?resize=420%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"YouTube video thumbnail\" width=\"420\" height=\"295\" \/><br \/>Watch this video on YouTube<\/a><\/noscript><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:420px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">And the Roots are my favorite hip-hop group. It\u2019s amazing that they are still in a band and performing together. It shows unity to those musicians who are coming up and I love that aspect of people continuing to create beautiful things. I\u2019ve learned a lot just being around Questlove and he&#8217;s a huge influence on me.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Questlove has previously told several interviewers that, at first with the Roots, he was criticized for not sounding enough like a drum machine. Then when he started trying to sound more like a drum machine, he was criticized for not sounding enough like himself, so he ended up going back to his original approach. As someone who is also a drummer and makes use of drum machines, have you had similar struggles in how you approach the drums?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Not really. I know Questlove says that. I&#8217;ve heard him say it before but I am not so sure I agree. There&#8217;s a certain special thing that everybody has that can&#8217;t be reduplicated by a machine. I\u2019m not sure Questlove actually sounded any differently than himself. To me, he still sounds like himself even when he probably thought he was sounding more like a drum machine. But, no, I haven\u2019t run to the issue he is referring to.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=3920403344\/album=2367897758\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Going back to the Jahari Massamba Unit, you first met Madlib twenty years ago. How do you feel the musical conversations between the two of you have changed most over the two decades?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Well, early on, there wasn&#8217;t a lot of conversation. We just spoke through our music and our ideas. We sent ideas back and forth to one another.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">But over the years, he&#8217;s made me spindles and spindles of CDs. There were about a hundred CDs on each spindle. They were all records he loves, and some of his more recent finds. And listening to those records let me into who he was and the type of stuff that he loved. I think that helped us along the way in trying to understand each other&#8217;s perspective of where we wanted to go with the music. I&#8217;ve learned a lot about him through just his love of music. And he&#8217;s so prolific. The love and respect that he has towards the music is inspiring.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: You mentioned you started by passing ideas back and forth. That seems to be how you still collaborate. You are not really in the studio much together.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: No, we hang out more than we work. I was recently an artist in residence at the Detroit Jazz Festival. Madlib, J Rocc, and I performed some of the Jahari Massamba Unit songs from Pardon My French. It was incredible to see the music come to the live stage.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Do you feel that <em>YHWH is Love <\/em>or <em>Pardon My French<\/em> would sound differently if you had spent more time in the studio versus the approach you take with the group?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: Absolutely. There are always two different perspectives on how to create. One thing that I can do on drums live can spark a new idea that will take something down another road.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">I love both approaches to creation. But the stuff you create in solitude can be a little more, I don&#8217;t know. I can&#8217;t quite put a word on it. But I love both perspectives and to be able to do both. I&#8217;ve loved studio recordings my whole life, but it is a special thing to be able to go in and get the sound that I want before I even pass it to Madlib. Then he gets the sound that he wants, and then we go straight to mixing.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"120\" style=\"position: relative; display: block; width: 100%; height: 120px;\" src=\"\/\/bandcamp.com\/EmbeddedPlayer\/v=2\/track=1297460780\/album=2367897758\/size=large\/bgcol=ffffff\/linkcol=0687f5\/tracklist=false\/artwork=small\/\" allowtransparency=\"true\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>PG: Where do you see Jahari Massamba Unit going in the future?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"\">KR: In the future, we will, God willing, go more into the repertoire. As prolific as Madlib is, I&#8217;m also trying to push out many more ideas that we can use to create together. The last time I saw Madlib, he said that he already had another album\u2019s worth of material to use. I want to tell our stories from a musical perspective, so we can be fully understood musically.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><br><strong>Jahari Massamba Unit\u2019s \u2018YHWH is Love\u2019 is out now on Law of Rhythm. It can be ordered on <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/jaharimassambaunit.bandcamp.com\/album\/yhwh-is-love\"><strong>Bandcamp<\/strong><\/a><strong>. More information on Karriem Riggins is available on <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/karriemriggins.com\/\"><strong>his website.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The corporate-led division of music into genres ignored the reality of the music presented. This is perhaps no better seen than in the relationship between \u201cjazz\u201d and \u201chip hop.\u201d Over the last two decades, many have written about the meeting of these two stylistic influences. This analysis, however, is incredibly misguided. Technically speaking, it is [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":8186,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"iawp_total_views":89,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[582],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8184","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_7889.jpeg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/peRkRR-280","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":11209,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/kassa-overall-cream-roots\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":0},"title":"Keeping the Roots Growing: A Conversation with Kassa Overall","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"September 7, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"Here is a fun exercise for a reader\u2019s consideration. Consider these two quotes: \u201c[It is] just a bunch of notes thrown together without melody or soul\u2014hardly what I\u2019d call music\u201d and \"[It's] not music\u2026 [it] doesn\u2019t require musicianship\u2026.\" What genre of music are they referring to? Here is a hint-\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Interviews&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Interviews","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/interviews\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/EBAR_20250113_KassaOverall_SleepingCity-2_1400-1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/EBAR_20250113_KassaOverall_SleepingCity-2_1400-1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/EBAR_20250113_KassaOverall_SleepingCity-2_1400-1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/EBAR_20250113_KassaOverall_SleepingCity-2_1400-1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":11032,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/new-jazz-underground-newport-2025\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":1},"title":"Touching the Continuum: Sebastian Rios Previews New Jazz Underground at Newport","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"July 26, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"As nonsensical as it may seem in the abstract, sometimes ideological wars are a necessary step towards a renewed and invigorated community. This is certainly the case with the so-called \u201cjazz wars\u201d of the 1980s. After decades of further sonic expansion, one side came with a zealous desire to return\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Interviews&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Interviews","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/interviews\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/New_Jazz_Underground.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/New_Jazz_Underground.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/New_Jazz_Underground.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/New_Jazz_Underground.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":7839,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/language-lenny-white-i\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":2},"title":"Translating the Language: A Conversation with Lenny White (Part One)","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"February 20, 2024","format":false,"excerpt":"This site primarily emphasizes music that pushes - or even transcends - preexisting concepts of how certain music \"should sound.\" Arguably, jazz itself is an amalgamated confluence of diverse stylistic perspectives. One of the best examples of such music can be found in Miles Davis'\u00a0Bitches Brew\u00a0(Columbia, 1969). The record's boldness\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Interviews&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Interviews","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/interviews\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/IMG_7685.jpeg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/IMG_7685.jpeg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/IMG_7685.jpeg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/IMG_7685.jpeg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/IMG_7685.jpeg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":3608,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/rob-shepherds-favorite-albums-of-2021\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":3},"title":"Rob Shepherd&#8217;s Favorite Albums of 2021","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"December 22, 2021","format":false,"excerpt":"In some ways, 2021 can be seen as a return of music. In reality, through live-stream and various recordings, music continued to be created the year before. But 2021 felt like- to steal a subtitle of one of the albums on my top ten list- a freeing out of our\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Best of Lists&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Best of Lists","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/lists-2\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/2021-list1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/2021-list1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/2021-list1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/2021-list1.jpg?fit=750%2C500&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":4976,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/xaybu-lehman-i\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":4},"title":"Continuum: A Conversation with Steve Lehman on S\u00e9l\u00e9b\u00e9yone (Part One)","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"August 21, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Throughout the ages, music has always been more than just notes or rhythms on a written page. Even the works of the greatest composers, when viewed solely in text, do not fully convey the power and wonder of their music. Similarly, to some degree, an instrument is nothing more than\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Interviews&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Interviews","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/interviews\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Screen-Shot-2022-06-09-at-12.00.05-PM.jpg?fit=750%2C501&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Screen-Shot-2022-06-09-at-12.00.05-PM.jpg?fit=750%2C501&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Screen-Shot-2022-06-09-at-12.00.05-PM.jpg?fit=750%2C501&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Screen-Shot-2022-06-09-at-12.00.05-PM.jpg?fit=750%2C501&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":4614,"url":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/genuine-expression-julius-rodriguez\/","url_meta":{"origin":8184,"position":5},"title":"Genuine Expression: A Conversation with Julius Rodriguez","author":"Rob Shepherd","date":"June 19, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"\"Is it jazz?\" This question has plagued improvised music for nearly half a century. Almost as long as people have used the label \"jazz\", they have questioned how to define it. Some - Wynton Marsalis and Stanley Crouch being perhaps the most prominent voices - have even proposed unsupportable theses\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Interviews&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Interviews","link":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/category\/interviews\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/unnamed2.png?fit=1080%2C720&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/unnamed2.png?fit=1080%2C720&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/unnamed2.png?fit=1080%2C720&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/unnamed2.png?fit=1080%2C720&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/unnamed2.png?fit=1080%2C720&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8184","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8184"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8184\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8226,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8184\/revisions\/8226"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/8186"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8184"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8184"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/postgenre.org\/staging\/4567\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8184"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}